SSD failure or Debian 10 Incompatible ?

dhwalker
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Re: SSD failure or Debian 10 Incompatible ?

Post by dhwalker »

Thanks, fred44nl.
David Walker

dhberlin
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Re: SSD failure ?

Post by dhberlin »

tamir wrote:We have additional reports about issues with Debian 10 not working well on the fitlet2.
Debian 9 seems to work fine on the fitlet2, [...]
Any news on this topic?

We have a handful of fitlet2. With Debian 9 we have no problems with any device. With Debian 10, on some devices the installation stucks. It seems that the ssd disappears.

But we have also fitlet2 devices without any problems during debian 10 installation.
One of the differences between the devices is the base board version:

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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
  Base Board Information
          Manufacturer: Compulab
          Product Name: fitlet2
          Version: 1.21

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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
  Base Board Information
          Manufacturer: Compulab
          Product Name: fitlet2
          Version: 1.2
With version 1.2 we have no problems

Regards
Marco

XDm9wf8aS2aZsKh
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Re: SSD failure or Debian 10 Incompatible ?

Post by XDm9wf8aS2aZsKh »

I have :

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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
Base Board Information
	Manufacturer: Compulab
	Product Name: fitlet2
	Version: 1.1

fred44nl
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Re: SSD failure ?

Post by fred44nl »

same here:
Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
Base Board Information
Manufacturer: Compulab
Product Name: fitlet2
Version: 1.1
@Marco
did you try to remove apparmor ??

XDm9wf8aS2aZsKh
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Re: SSD failure or Debian 10 Incompatible ?

Post by XDm9wf8aS2aZsKh »

tamir wrote:1. S/N (Printed on the whiter sticker located at the bottom cover)
2. P/N (Printed on the whiter sticker located at the bottom cover)
3. Full name of the Debian ISO used to install the machine.
Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
System Information
Manufacturer: Compulab
Product Name: fitlet2
Version: N/A
Serial Number: 1180405-02737
UUID: 41752a80-52c6-11e8-b327-667b4db60500
Wake-up Type: Power Switch
SKU Number: N/A
Family: N/A

Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
Base Board Information
Manufacturer: Compulab
Product Name: fitlet2
Version: 1.1
Serial Number: 1180212-00475
Asset Tag: N/A
Features:
Board is a hosting board
Board is replaceable
Location In Chassis: N/A
Chassis Handle: 0x0003
Type: Motherboard
Contained Object Handles: 0
Debian 10.0 (upgraded from Debian 9)

I tested without libata.force and without apparmor : crash in less than 1 hour
With libata.force, I can resist many days without crash.

dhberlin
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Re: SSD failure ?

Post by dhberlin »

fred44nl wrote:[...]

@Marco
did you try to remove apparmor ??
There is no difference, with or wo apparmor
tamir wrote:[...]
Please provide the following details about your system:

1. S/N (Printed on the whiter sticker located at the bottom cover)
2. P/N (Printed on the whiter sticker located at the bottom cover)
3. Full name of the Debian ISO used to install the machine.
Device A

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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
Base Board Information
	Manufacturer: Compulab
	Product Name: fitlet2
	Version: 1.2
	Serial Number: 1181105-02925
P/N: FITLET2-CE3950
Bios: default

No problems with Debian 9 and 10 during Installation

Device B

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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
Base Board Information
	Manufacturer: Compulab
	Product Name: fitlet2
	Version: 1.21
	Serial Number: 1190318-01867
P/N: FITLET2-CE3950
Bios: default

No problems with Debian 9 during installation
Debian 10 stucks

Debian 10 install iso
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu ... etinst.iso

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$ md5sum debian-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
f31779fcca35f5ce9833a9661a9bd5bd  debian-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
What we have done:

1. start d10 installation w/wo apparmor
-> no differences

2. start d10 installation w libata.force=1.5
No problems during d10 installation on Device B

3. change ssd between Device A and B
Problem move with the ssd

SSD A

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# lshw -class disk
  *-disk                    
       description: ATA Disk
       product: Maximus 256G
       physical id: 0.0.0
       bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
       logical name: /dev/sda
       version: 7A
       serial: 201812110025
       size: 238GiB (255GB)
       capabilities: gpt-1.00 partitioned partitioned:gpt
       configuration: ansiversion=5 guid=9f2c8800-5b40-4ca0-bb0a-ecad0baae6d9 logicalsectorsize=512 sectorsize=512

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# udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/sda
P: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda
N: sda
S: disk/by-id/ata-Maximus_256G_201812110025
S: disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:12.0-ata-1
E: DEVLINKS=/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:12.0-ata-1 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Maximus_256G_201812110025
E: DEVNAME=/dev/sda
E: DEVPATH=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda
E: DEVTYPE=disk
E: ID_ATA=1
E: ID_ATA_DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_APM=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_APM_ENABLED=0
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_HPA=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_HPA_ENABLED=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM_ENABLED=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENABLED=0
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENHANCED_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=2
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=2
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_FROZEN=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART_ENABLED=1
E: ID_ATA_ROTATION_RATE_RPM=0
E: ID_ATA_SATA=1
E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN1=1
E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN2=1
E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE=1
E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE_ENABLED=1
E: ID_BUS=ata
E: ID_MODEL=Maximus_256G
E: ID_MODEL_ENC=Maximus\x20256G\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20
E: ID_PART_TABLE_TYPE=gpt
E: ID_PART_TABLE_UUID=9f2c8800-5b40-4ca0-bb0a-ecad0baae6d9
E: ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:12.0-ata-1
E: ID_PATH_TAG=pci-0000_00_12_0-ata-1
E: ID_REVISION=Q0707A
E: ID_SERIAL=Maximus_256G_201812110025
E: ID_SERIAL_SHORT=201812110025
E: ID_TYPE=disk
E: MAJOR=8
E: MINOR=0
E: SUBSYSTEM=block
E: TAGS=:systemd:
E: USEC_INITIALIZED=2835346
SSD B

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# lshw -class disk
  *-disk                    
       description: ATA Disk
       product: M2SCF-6M 256GB
       physical id: 0.0.0
       bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
       logical name: /dev/sda
       version: 0C
       serial: 20190402017401100070
       size: 236GiB (253GB)
       capabilities: gpt-1.00 partitioned partitioned:gpt
       configuration: ansiversion=5 guid=8da419b4-552e-4c44-924f-e8f2ba6de3a5 logicalsectorsize=512 sectorsize=512

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# udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/sda
P: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda
N: sda
S: disk/by-id/ata-M2SCF-6M_256GB_20190402017401100070
S: disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:12.0-ata-1
E: DEVLINKS=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-M2SCF-6M_256GB_20190402017401100070 /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:12.0-ata-1
E: DEVNAME=/dev/sda
E: DEVPATH=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda
E: DEVTYPE=disk
E: ID_ATA=1
E: ID_ATA_DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_APM=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_APM_ENABLED=0
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_PM_ENABLED=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENABLED=0
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ENHANCED_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=2
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_ERASE_UNIT_MIN=2
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SECURITY_FROZEN=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART=1
E: ID_ATA_FEATURE_SET_SMART_ENABLED=1
E: ID_ATA_ROTATION_RATE_RPM=0
E: ID_ATA_SATA=1
E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN1=1
E: ID_ATA_SATA_SIGNAL_RATE_GEN2=1
E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE=1
E: ID_ATA_WRITE_CACHE_ENABLED=1
E: ID_BUS=ata
E: ID_MODEL=M2SCF-6M_256GB
E: ID_MODEL_ENC=M2SCF-6M\x20256GB\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20\x20
E: ID_PART_TABLE_TYPE=gpt
E: ID_PART_TABLE_UUID=8da419b4-552e-4c44-924f-e8f2ba6de3a5
E: ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:12.0-ata-1
E: ID_PATH_TAG=pci-0000_00_12_0-ata-1
E: ID_REVISION=P0810C
E: ID_SERIAL=M2SCF-6M_256GB_20190402017401100070
E: ID_SERIAL_SHORT=20190402017401100070
E: ID_TYPE=disk
E: MAJOR=8
E: MINOR=0
E: SUBSYSTEM=block
E: TAGS=:systemd:
E: USEC_INITIALIZED=3251814
Regards
Marco

tamir
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Re: SSD failure ?

Post by tamir »

dhberlin wrote:
tamir wrote:We have additional reports about issues with Debian 10 not working well on the fitlet2.
Debian 9 seems to work fine on the fitlet2, [...]
Any news on this topic?

We have a handful of fitlet2. With Debian 9 we have no problems with any device. With Debian 10, on some devices the installation stucks. It seems that the ssd disappears.

But we have also fitlet2 devices without any problems during debian 10 installation.
One of the differences between the devices is the base board version:

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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
  Base Board Information
          Manufacturer: Compulab
          Product Name: fitlet2
          Version: 1.21

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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
  Base Board Information
          Manufacturer: Compulab
          Product Name: fitlet2
          Version: 1.2
With version 1.2 we have no problems

Regards
Marco
Is it possible to perform same replication steps on an alternative SSD of a different brand ?

Also please refer to previous reply on this thread:
tamir wrote:After further investigation we conclude that S.M.A.R.T is not a reliable method to monitor SSD controllers and may cause issues, possibly due to certain incompatibility of the SSD's firmware.

Nevertheless, if the fitlet2 have Linux mint installed and SSD does not function as advertised, please follow our RMA procedure to have the machine repaired - https://www.fit-pc.com/web/support/rma/

fred44nl
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Re: SSD failure or Debian 10 Incompatible ?

Post by fred44nl »

now I am puzzled :?:

I have added libata.force=1.5G to /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet libata.force=1.5G"
I did run

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sudo update-grub
I did check this in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=UUID=c13aae11-e70b-4c32-95d4-887063631a09 ro quiet libata.force=1.5G
but when I run

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sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda
I get this as a result:
SATA Version is: SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
why don't I get "current 1.5 Gb/s ??

edit:
the problem obviously is in the fact that you must have smartmontools installed for this to work

the reason I am getting back into this, is because a few days ago the kernel was updated from 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 to 4.19.37-5+deb10u2
so, a minor update, but since then, my machine locks itself every few days.

XDm9wf8aS2aZsKh
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Re: SSD failure or Debian 10 Incompatible ?

Post by XDm9wf8aS2aZsKh »

No news about this problem ?

I am still using libata.force=1.5G but I have many locks.
When I do multiple input/output at the same time, system freezes. After one minute, system unlocks and continues.
I no longer dare to do several things at the same time.

I tried again without « libata.force=1.5G », system goes to read only after some minutes.
I also tried a more recent kernel « 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 » : same problem.

I tried « smartctl -t short » with kernel 5.2 : system goes to read-only
I tried « smartctl -t short » with Gparted with kernel 5.2 : everything OK.

Another person in this forum said he has the same problem with Linux Mint.
My SSD seems to be ok because it worked well with Debian 9.

So where is the problem ? Motherboard ? Bios ? SSD ? Kernel ? Software configuration ?
I can do more test if you need.

I would like to avoid « RMA procedure » because I need this computer. This is my only daily computer.

tamir
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Re: SSD failure or Debian 10 Incompatible ?

Post by tamir »

Please contact fitpcsupport@compulab.co.il for further assistance on this topic.

Thank you.

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